British Dragon - Out of Business (anything you’re seeing on the market is a counterfeit)

Lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of British Dragon products still for sale on the market. They’re counterfeit, just like the QV products we’re still seeing (and produced by the same counterfeiter)…I’m going to re-run a post from my original blog (dated 2006) that recaps the story behind British Dragon going out of business. This post was the final word on what actually happened, and was reposted several times - so much in fact that I lost count of how many sites had copies of it. In the end, one founder of British Dragon is currently in jail, and the other is deceased - therefore, any BD products you see on the market now are totally bogus. Below the “Final word on British Dragon” I’ve also posted a copy of a blog post I made much prior to that one, at the request of Mark More (deceased, former owner/founder of British Dragon), which calls out International Pharmaceuticals for counterfeiting their products. It should be obvious, to everyone, at this point who is responsible for the BD counterfeits we’re all seeing coming out of Iran (IP is Iranian, not Chinese, as some people think):

The final word on British Dragon

Originally Posted on December 10, 2006
I also choose to put this information here because if I were to post it on any board on the internet, claims of bias on the part of the board owner(s), mods, etc…would run rampant. And honestly, so would claims from people who heard something from their bro, who heard something from a respected bro, who heard….ad nauseam.

Now…
As many people know, British Dragon is the oldest and most respected name in anabolic producers to date. They initially opened up many years ago, founded by two guys who I’ll simply call “Mark” and “Richard”…because their names aren’t important for my purposes here.

As Mark told me, he didn’t get into the business of anabolics to earn a Nobel prize, but rather to earn money. I doubt my efforts in writing will eventually earn me the former, and this current effort will not earn me the latter…but I digress…

What eventually happened, after the formation of British Dragon was unprecedented success in the field. A money making endevor turned into the most widely recognized, respected (and counterfeited) name in the field of anabolics. I can’t comment on the legality (*at the time) of their activities, as I don’t know the laws of the countries they operated in.

Fast forward several years to 2006.

At some point in the beginning of this year, a push to legitimize the company was started from within. Things get hazy from here, but I was kept in the loop by several parties, all within BD itself. At this point, one of the founders related to me his desire to quit the business and sell off his interest in the company. Understandable, I told him.

During the push to legitimize the company, a third partner was brought on. We’ll call him “Alin”…which should make it obvious to most people who he is. He operates a legitimate business (a pharmacy) in his country, and was/is a BD remailer.

The three partners all put up money and plans to buy a factory for the production of high-quality anabolics was purchased. This point and all of the previous points are agreed upon by all parties involved. No issues yet.
Now, apparently, Alin (alone) had to keep investing in the company, driving up his initial investment, and appreciating the value of the company’s assets (more machines, raw materials, etc…). Alin also was given power of attorney and registered the BD logo and such, and gained trademark/copyright for everything involved. There is a dispute on how long power of attorney was to last, ranging from one side saying 3 months, to the other saying 3 years. The factory was built (I have ownership papers in my possession and have provided them on request to several people already) and a license granting status as a legitimate pharmaceutical company was granted. All of this was under Alin’s supervision and control, where he was located. The BD website remained under control of the two founders.
Now, on or about October 19th, I received an internal memo from within BD stating that a remailer, GenXXL started a rumor that Alin was selling BD counterfeits. Now, logically, how can the person who is running the factory where BD is produced be accused of making counterfeits? It doesn’t make much sense to me. It would appear that recently, GenXXL attempted to start that same rumor again.

Again, it is false.

BD products were, until recently, being produced by Alin, while all packing/packaging was supplied by the original owners (this way, they had an idea of inventory…if they shipped out X amount of bottles and labels per month, then they knew that much product was being produced per month).

Then, as often happens, things went south…internal disputes regarding money and contract terms arose, etc…I can’t comment on internal issues like this, other than it is my understanding that nobody is 100% happy with how things turned out (the sign of a true business deal: nobody leaves the negotiating table happy). I’m told that the initial investment by the two founders leaves them with a percentage o the company now, although less %-wise than they started out with. They also own the website as well. The factory and rights to the name and BD logo remain with Alin, who was (during at least one point) the majority shareholder of the (now) legitimatized company. Alin also continues to own and operate the facilities for production of pharmaceuticals, of human-grade quality and licensing. This is what I know up until now. Anyone who is still selling BD is getting rid of their final stock. If you see it after 2007, it’s counterfeit.
At least one of the founders (Mark More) is retired and totally done with things. I haven’t spoken to the other. From what I know of the one I spoke/speak to, he still will probably not earn that Nobel Prize, but I trust is alright financially. Again, he’s retired from the field. The other founder, I am uncertain about. The third, and most recent partner still holds paperwork and properties, as previously stated.

British Dragon, however, will most likely not be produced….for at least awhile. I’m of the opinion that all parties are (or have) already washed their hands of the incident, and have moved on to better things. Several sources on the internet are waging some sort of sad turf war in the aftermath (Axio Labs, International Pharmaceuticals, etc…), but in reality, all of their claims are very silly. I’ve read the allegations of threats, scams, counterfeits and all the rest, and think them to be utter bullshit. None of the people arguing in the wake of this incident, who were not involved in the ownership of BD, really have a leg to stand on with regards to their claims. The three people involved with this business deal (gone sour) are the only ones who this should really concern.

As I understand it, none of the three people with share(s) in the company will continue to produce the BD brand of products any longer. Remaining stock of products will be sold by remailers…but it’s uncertain whether anymore will ever be produced. Of course, the three people involved can sort all of it out amongst themselves or sell the company or whatever…but that is speculative at best.

Again, claims by various sources on the internet, who are simply remailers and such, should be dismissed out of hand as bullshit. I’m suspecting that counterfeits will flood the market after awhile, and people who will claim to have suspiciously large amounts “remaining” from before the company will spring up.

I’m hoping that this puts to rest the conjecture and speculation currently rampant on the internet, and sheds some light on this regrettable situation. I wish the best for the people involved, and moreso that this only could have gone better for all involved. Knowing the caliber of people involved, I’m sure all of them will bounce back from it all.

It’s also highly regrettable that so many people sought to capitalize on the situation and attack others…I can only hope that those people, their venomous e-mails, posts, and outright lies are ignored, and that both the people who founded the most well loved of all pharmaceutical brands, as well as their most recent partner, continue to prosper in whatever areas they pursue. I know they will.

Originally posted: 08-20-2006, 10:49 PM (Note: Links have been disabled because they’re 2 years old and don’t work any more anyway, and the email I received from British Dragon is in Italics)

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Early today, I was contacted by my good friend at British Dragon…(Yeah, I know …..personally), and told that IP had been caught producing counterfeit BD products. After looking through several Links and photos, I have come to the conclusion that IP has indeed been producing most of the fake BD on the black market today. Here’s a full report, with links, from BD (in quotes below). Although I have known about this situation for awhile, BD has asked me to hold off posting this information until IP was given a chance to explain himself- which was not done, and instead, a cover-up seems to have been attempted. Anyway, here’s the info from BD, verifying these claims:

(This is the email I received, direct from BD):

hi all

basically IP has been caught red handed, after getting more than
200 emails about a BD oxandrolone whihc [sic] was the wrong color
I had no choice but to defend our brand from copies/fakes etc, ip
has been selling copied bd tabs to his remailers and pushing them
as original BD product,
IP has his own brand and probaly more than enough business but can
help to get that extra $,also his australia remailer ozbodz aka
flex2x has been sending bd injects with oil and bd labels
sent to him by IP, the australian remailers website still shows
british dragon on there (www.iplabsonline.com), also a chinese
trading company has been advertising tabs they make
check the picture attached and blow it up IP and BD tabs together
hmmmmmm

now the pictures of the copied oxandrolone are here
http://www……..com/latestnews.asp clear difference on
tabs,

there are hundreds of threads flaming IP everyday, this however is
not to flame or bash IP this problem cam from him to us

since all this was revealed , IP has tried the following

on some IP remailers lists the …….products have been
renamed bodiez by design products so they can say was a mistake
and thats why the tabs were BD, why would bodiez by design on the
same say as the exposure starts become a tab producer with the
exact same mould as …….for their tabs

next excuse was that this that the tabs are from www….h-
……com (a copy website in hongkong) which Ip says is the
producer of these copied tabs, since this knock off
company does not even make tabs and they dont actually exist
outside of a attorneys office or have any licenses as the info
below proves

anyone in hong kong can register a company by any name and also
register a trade mark but having an attorneys office has nothing to
do with being a legit pharm company

here is the contact part of ……..com
http://www…….com/contacts.shtml

compare the address with the attorneys office which is where they
are registered http://www.oln-law.com/ exactly the same, also
welcome to call attorneys office in hong kong and ask them if
britishdragon is registered there, an offshore company with a
trademark in a lawyers office is a big difference to a licensed
company

anyway incase you wonder if……..com had a license here
is the hong kong government website of licensed pharma companies in
hong kong (note the url has .gov in it so it is the government not
same ficitious website)

http://www.psdh.gov.hk/eps/index.jsp

no ….there,

lastly even this ……com has a different logo than us
atleast they had the decency not to try and copy our logo,

you can make as many reasons as possible for the BD tabs but when
you have IP and I am sure more than enough business why did you go
down this route ?

for customers protection I would suggest all buyers beware of
……knock off and fakes and check the approved suppliers
section of the www.britishdragon.com
to make sure your supplier is an approved BD supplier.